seohero
Joined: Dec 25, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jun-05 10:13
Hi Guys,
I need help for My site Movement from 1 server to another.
At present my server is not able to handle googlebot hits.
so i want to change my server.
But my site is performing well in google.
So that any one Tell me the Best Host Provider so that i can not loose my rankings.
My site have only HTML Pages no database.
[ Message was edited by: seohero 06/05/2006 06:13 am ]
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Prowler
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Joined: Aug 14, 2000
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Posted: 2006-Jun-05 13:45
>> At present my server is not able to handle googlebot hits.
How do you know this ?
Are you sure that every time Googlebot fires a salvo of requests, your server is brought to its knees ?
Most mainstream robots behave well and rarely fire a rapid fire request. And any server worth its salt will not buckle down serving a few static pages in quick succession.
I will assume that you have a 'slow' server and you want to move to a better host.
Here is the drill:
1. Hunt for a good host capable of meeting all your future requirements. Tip: - Search in these forums for an insight to the requirements.
2. Make a backup of all your files from the present host. You must have a backup already in your development server. Never count on the backup from your host.
3. Upload to your new host all the files. Most good hosts will allow you to check using the dedicated IP address alone. It is worth paying the extra bit of amount to own a dedicated IP. Check that all is well in your new host.
4. Make the required DNS changes to point to the new address now. Don't shut down the old host - yet.
5. Make a 301 redirection in the old server to point to the new Host. Remove all files except for the 301 redirection directives in your old host. Wait for a few days before you close the account from the old host.
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seohero
Joined: Dec 25, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jun-06 13:30
Hi Prowler,
Thanks for Your Help.
Well I need Suggestion for 1 more issue.
1) It is Possible that i Will keep old IP because i think
google dont like IP Jumpers.
Thanks
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Prowler
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Posted: 2006-Jun-06 13:52
You mean you will point the old server through a 301 to your new host to circumvent the supposed Google's dislike ?
Whatever you do, don't have multiple copies of the same domain in different locations.
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seohero
Joined: Dec 25, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jun-06 14:15
My mean is i dont want to take new IP address for my site with new host.
it is possible?
Well anyway thanks for your help.
Regards
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Jun-06 14:54
Your site will have a new IP address but never mind. Make sure the IP block is relevant to the country you are targeting.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2006-Jun-06 14:55
I am confused as to the advice to use a 301 redirect.
If you are keeping the same domain name then you must not do this. The domain name will be pointing at the old server, and soon after you update the DNS it will be pointing at the new server. People asking for the domain will be served by the old server until such time as the DNS shows the new server information. There is no way to put any redirect in place to overcome that.
If you are moving servers and you are going to be using a new domain name as well, then the 301 redirect is good advice. Put that redirect on the old server for a few weeks.
Later on, when you want to take the old server down, point the DNS for the old domain name at the new server, and on that new server also install a 301 redirect such that any request for the old domain name is redirected to the new domain name. Put this redirect instruction on the same server as the new content. Point both domain names at that same server. Install the redirect file (which works using domain names) on that new server too.
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 18:38
One of our website ranks well at the moment PR5 in Google and MSN, Yahoo. We want to move our site from a Linux based server to Windows (due to our requirements).
My main concern is will I lose my rankings in the search engines when I transfer the site.
How can I be sure our traffic will not drop.
Any comments would be help.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 19:28
If you keep the same domain name and the same page names for all of your content then Google will never know that you moved at all.
By moving to a Windows server you will expose your site to many Duplicate Content issues unless you take a lot of care to fix them all. Most hosts do not allow access to any of the tools that you will require to do that though.
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 20:49
How do you mean "Duplicate Content issues" if we move to a Windows hosting provider
All the content will remain the same ?
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g1smd
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 20:58
Duplicate content occurs where the same content will be available at multiple URLs:
www.domain.com/this.page.html and domain.com/this.page.html
www.domain.com/this.page.html and www.domain.com/This.Page.Html and www.domain.com/this.page.HTML
With IIS that is a big flaw that is very difficult to fix.
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 23:21
Surely though, if all the pages stayed the same e.g www.domain.com/index.html on the linux server was still
www.domain.com/index.html on the windows server, this would be OK ?
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g1smd
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Posted: 2006-Jul-08 23:41
No. It will not be OK.
For one uploaded page like www.domain.com/this.page.html the Duplicate Content will occur because the same content will now be available at multiple URLs:
It will be available at www.domain.com/this.page.html and at domain.com/this.page.html
It will be available at www.domain.com/this.page.html and at www.domain.com/This.Page.Html and at www.domain.com/this.page.HTML and so on.
With IIS that is a big flaw that is very difficult to fix.
With IIS, the site will be served with www and it will be served without www - and that is Duplicate Content.
With IIS, the site URLs will no longer be case sensitive. Randomly changing the case of any part of the URL will still allow the site to be served - and that is Duplicate Content.
With Apache it is easy to install the non-www to www redirect to stop that Duplicate Content problem. On IIS it is not so easy to do. Most IIS systems do not have the required software installed, and even where it is most hosts stop you from using it.
Apache IS case sensitive (unlike IIS), so that stops the other Duplicate Content problem from ever occurring at all. IIS inherently causes that other problem with case.
[ Message was edited by: g1smd 07/09/2006 09:26 am ]
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-09 08:15
I have my own dedicated Win2003 server. Can you point me in the direction where I can find out such information for stopping this duplicate content issue with IIS
What happens if I start hosting with a site on IIS. Is this a problem ?
Also my site (See profile) lost very good rankings in Google. Could it be because of this ? It was hosted on Linux, but then was moved to Windows.
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g1smd
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Posted: 2006-Jul-09 17:28
Investigate using these three searches
site:domain.com
site:domain.com -inurl:www
site:www.domain.com
to see what may be going on.
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-09 17:34
Can you point me in the direction where I can find out such information for stopping this duplicate content issue with IIS
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-09 17:38
With regards investigating :
site:domain.com
site:domain.com -inurl:www
site:www.domain.com
I've been advised my other forum members that the problem lies with duplicate content on other sites?
What happens if I start hosting with a site on IIS. Is this a problem ?
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2006-Jul-10 09:33
There are duplicate content issues with IIS. IIS isn't case sensitive, so duplicate content can be served thus:
You have a page domain.com/mypage.htm and somebody links to it as domain.com/MyPage.htm
The IIS will serve the page even though it has capital letters in it. Google will follow this link and see it as duplicate content.
I'm told IIS7 will be much more flexible, but I prefer to stick with Apache.
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neilt
Joined: Aug 29, 2005
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Posted: 2006-Jul-10 09:57
Could this then be the problem with our site (see profile). Or do you think it is because we are linking to other sites with the same content ?
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2006-Jul-10 10:35
Your site has many problems. Linking to other sites using duplicate content is one of them.
It would take a lot of research to find out if anybody is linking to you with incorrect spellings. Do a site:www.domain.com search on Yahoo and see if the URLs are correct.
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