mysweetdreamsbaby
Joined: Oct 26, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Jun-17 19:34
I have only a page rank of 2 and most of my pages don't rank at all and I rank very well with all the search engines.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2008-Jun-18 08:40
My own site was recently "demoted" from a PR6 to a PR3 in the latest public export, but my rankings are totally unaffected.
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Aug-23 13:46
Google tool bar PR don't affect the SERP ranking.
SERP ranking depends upon your meta elements i.e. title, keywords and description.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2008-Aug-24 08:42
Reflection - That's not quite the case.
The algorithm takes into account approximately 200 factors. PR and meta elements are just a part of it.
Some of the factors are extremely left-field to the uninitiated. Far less logical than the simple things that can be changed by the developer - metas for instance.
Google builds a huge relational date set on a URL before deciding how to rank it.
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reflection
Joined: May 23, 2007
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Posted: 2008-Nov-20 12:50
Google tool bar page rank is less effective where as search engine result page rank is very important.
Search engine result page rank improves your site visibility and business.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2008-Nov-21 10:29
Not necessarily.
You can have a PR10 but not make it to the SERPs. You may be filtered out in the oversampling and never appear.
When a user queries Google with a search term, Google finds the first 1000 (generally accepted figure) results for that search then oversamples them and applies filters. This part of the algorithm is known as Local Rank and also has a number LRn. If your site has PR10 but LR0 (10x0=0) you will not appear in the result set sent to the browser as the final SERP.
This is a simplified account of LR, but works OK for this scenario.
Therefore a higher PR does not necessarily mean better rankings.
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mj1256
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Joined: Jun 05, 2006
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Posted: 2008-Nov-21 15:06
so....how do we manipulate LR?
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
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Posted: 2008-Nov-21 15:47
By sticking to purely White Hat methods is my best guess. The idea behind LR is that we shouldn't be able to manipulate it.
Google realise they made a mistake by letting people see the PR "value" in the toolbar. They won't make the same mistake by letting us know anything about LR.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
# Posts: 2061
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Posted: 2008-Nov-21 15:52
ranking%20search%20results%20by%20reranking%20the%20results%20based%20on%20local%20inter-connectivity]here is the Google patent covering this.
It's hard going. My simplified version is pretty close.
Although we now have Google Wiki SERPs in the mix and I really don't know how they are going to effect things.
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animated3d
Joined: Dec 22, 2005
# Posts: 444
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Posted: 2008-Nov-22 07:31
my site went from a PR3 to PR1 and no ranking loss maybe just by 1 position pagerank=good links so if you know u have good links you can be sure too you get a good PR but just chasing pagerank for the sake of pagerank is pointless
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Prowler
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Joined: Aug 14, 2000
# Posts: 1833
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Posted: 2008-Nov-24 09:10
There is one more thing about ranking - these days it keeps changing. Even within the same day. There are other factors too - like the rate of bounce. Google has more data on the way people search and they use this vast accumulated data for refining the search results.
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vasili
Joined: Nov 24, 2008
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 2008-Nov-25 03:05
Quadrille: "Relevance checking is much more sophisticated these days, and Quality *really does* matter."
COULDN'T AGREE MORE !
Seems the more sohphisticated Search and site "position" processes become, the more emphasis reverts to the earlier introduced (and completely mis-understood) concepts such as "relevance" and how complicated that truly is to develp with not just the precision that is required, but the unique style that influences metric valuations!
With more than the aforementioned "200" individual aspects of construct (and we ARE talking construct here, from the 'Perfect Page' model of the foundation all the way out to the link strategies and how they are paired/aligned with the Content as well) are assigned values via staged comparisons site-to-site (LR), the more relevance is illuminated as forever being an absolute value that is inherently fluid based on the dependence of Search Client Trending and influences: read in here the emerging concfict of interest regarding Google's new tactic to suggest search terms which allows sponsor's a foot in the door, but also poisons original and "Natural" querries.
It all goes back to superlative Due Diligence to have EVERY duck in a row, from square one of a build to maintaining dynamism of a site to differentiate pro-actively rather than respond to non-static nature of such myopic indications of "status" within a smaller set of metrics that we are "fortunate" to be obsessed with like LR, PR, and the like.
The indication is as Google expands their revenue opportunity by allowing increasing influences of advertisers and sponsors to drive Search, the more reliant we will become (on our side, for "SEO" efforts) on all that was and will forever be untamable: natural elements such as Content, Relevance, and Dynamic construct.
As long as people build sites, there will not be one website done 100% perfectly, and thus there will always be the need for a professional to compensate with intelligent application of current variables to strive to comply with.
IMO
[ Message was edited by: vasili 2008-Nov-25 03:17 (UTC) ]
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theleader300c
Joined: Nov 25, 2008
# Posts: 3
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Posted: 2008-Nov-26 02:43
Your rank gets updated as some indiscriminant time well after you have done the work and improved your serps.
Its a confirmation that you are on the right track. One people see the higher ranking they'll be more likely to want to swap links with you!
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
# Posts: 2061
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Posted: 2008-Nov-26 16:53
True, but swapping links is no longer good practice.
At best it's a waste of time and it is likely to cause harm to your rankings if done sloppily.
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
# Posts: 1309
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Posted: 2008-Nov-27 05:42
My own rule of thumb regarding ads is - I add links as is relevant to my sites content, and that will serve my visitors best. Truthfully I ignore other sites PR. I do visit the sites before I post them on mine and make sure they are on the up and up. But I have seen some wonderful sites that could help my visitors that have a low PR and I still post them.
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Hampstead
Joined: Feb 20, 2001
# Posts: 2061
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Posted: 2008-Nov-27 21:00
Posting links for the benefit of your users is the right thing to do of course.
Getting involved in link swaps to increase PR is where the trouble starts.
I know you know that Beth, but for the sake of this thread, it needs clarification.
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beth_lk
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Joined: Jun 23, 2004
# Posts: 1309
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Posted: 2008-Nov-28 03:18
Thanks Hamp  Yes it did need clarified in event someone misunderstood...
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cccbeads
Joined: Nov 27, 2008
# Posts: 1
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Posted: 2008-Nov-28 06:56
Yes I agree totally, it's ranking that is important.A way is increase in the reverse link.
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mj1256
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Joined: Jun 05, 2006
# Posts: 983
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Posted: 2008-Dec-06 03:18
CCCbeads...welcome to the forurm.
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jingwen
Joined: Jan 04, 2009
# Posts: 6
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Posted: 2009-Jan-05 02:01
Link from a high pr site is very usefull.
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