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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 16:38
Hey 
Kind of a plug i suppose, but they do it for free so it's really worth a mention.
It seams like a great way to get reletive backlinks without the need to link back. You place a piece of code on your website, and any referrals you make through the banner gives you credit on their network, and these credits are used to gain backlinks automatically, minimal effort really for great relative backlinks.
[ Message was edited by: g1smd 01/23/2008 12:23 pm ... Reason: Removed URL from Post as per ToS. ]
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 17:24
Thanks!
If I ever need a Google ban, I'll know just who to turn to!
Have you read anything - anything at all - since 2003?
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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 17:50
Exactly how do you get a ban from backlinks?
do you have control over who really links to you? absolutely not, Google would never ban a website for inbound links, that's just insane thinking, the minimum that would happen is no scoring for certain links, there are well documented cases of websites reaching high PR for simply having half a million backlinks, and they rank high for keywords because (and only because) of the shear number of backlinks.
Two schools of thoughts here,
1. Carefully construct highly relevant backlinks to your site, yes this works well, but for 90% of website owners this is either impossible or takes such a long time and effort it rarely pays off in the end.
2. Concentrate on massive amounts of relevant inbound links, be they reciprocal or one way. This is why link networks are so popular (and will remain so) even if the likes of Google are trying to deter their use.
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Quadrille
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 21:41
You astound me with your ignorance of the ways of Google.
I'm impressed; I've never met Rip Van Winkle before.
You really, seriously, have no idea, do you?
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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 22:19
lol, how do you come to that conclusion? Neither you nor I have said anything about google really, but I doubtlessly think that you are the type of person who reads copious amounts of material designed by Google as smoke and mirrors for the general SEO community to consume and digest. Is you knowledge based on reading material alone? or do you actually practice and test your theories? If you want to discuss, then discuss, but all I have heard from you is some sort of negative abuse. Do you actually have an opinion? love to hear it!
But as far as inbound links to a website is concerned no links can harm a website. Its a myth simple as that! If it were true then proof would be in abundance on the many, many SEO based forums, something i'm sure you would quote from.
Its not my ignorance in the ways of Google that I base my thoughts on, its the absence of proof about backlinks harming websites, just gossip and conjecture.
In fact there are test results carried out using 100,000 spammy links to test sites (without any adverse effect at all) to try to dispell this 'Google Bowling' theory which is the latest 'FAD' to hit the SEO community.
I re-iterate, websites have no control over who links to their site. You will not get penalised for them. I do understand if your site links to spammy sites, you can get penalized for that, because you do have an element of control over who you link to.
Therefore I stand by my thoughts that good quality inbound links from networks who can automatically generate you large numbers of relative links is a GOOD THING that will both raise your PR, and enhance your results in SERPS. And many people do
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 22:38
I take my hat off to you; good luck
You seem unimpressed that I read. I suggest you'd probably learn something if you did just a little reading. But I utterly respect your choice to blunder on in total ignorance.
I'm genuinely impressed.
You'll go far. Start walking,and you'll get there by Christmas.
I apologise for not taking you more seriously, but there's little point in a discussion when I have some knowledge, and you - self confessed - don't. It would be boring and pointless. Even the entertainment value for others will wear thin fairly rapidly. So lets not bother, huh?
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g1smd
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 22:44
Sure. Incoming links cannot harm a site - but joining a "scheme" sure can. And this scheme is easy to identify.
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phrail
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 22:47
He's right about not having control of who links to you. I mean, you can have someone that is so competitive and just wants to beat you out and have your site submitted to link farms :S . You obviously can't control anyone doing that.
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:01
No, you cannot control it - but you don't have to choose to be part of it, either.
eg a link exchange.
If you make that choice, then you may be taking responsibilty for all those incoming links.
Don't take my word, don't take Google's - even though you'd be unwise to ignore the industry leader, but that's another choice with consequences.
Go to forums frequented by the "linking fraternity" - for two years plus they've been wailing and whining and whingeing as Google has effectively closed down scheme after scheme after scheme.
You couldn't make it up - and I certainly didn't; I just laughed, as I - and others - are on record warning of the event long before it happened.
By and large, you are NOT responsible for incoming links, unless they part of some 'scheme' of which you have chosen to be a member.
And if I can spot a three-way link, believe that Google can spot a 17-way link. Or choose not to believe that, and take the consequences.
Oh, and Phrail - I'm not getting at you, I promise!
I always write on the basis that other interested parties may be reading - even those that sneer at reading 
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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:04
Hey guys, thanks for the reply, and g1smd, I can understand the removal of the URL, no worries..
Sure Google may have filters which penalise websites for overuse of link farm schemes, but one website linking to another website (and only 1 link per website, not a page full) doesn't amount to a scheme.
If I send a request on a forum or email to a webmaster for a link, and they link to me, well thats not a scheme, so a system which uses the same theme but operates on an automatic basis shouldn't hurt also.
And I would kind of like to say to Quadrille that I totally agree with him that I am not an SEO Expert, but if he thinks he is (and almost everyone else that thinks so), he is totally deluded, because most SEO concepts are theoretical, due to (mostly Google's) search engines policy on keeping us guessing! Sure, there are people with varied levels of knowledge, agreed, but don't undermine peoples thoughts and theories just because you don't agree, and I am sure the likes of Google find it great that so many theories run riot (well it is what makes it exciting).
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Quadrille
Joined: Nov 15, 2000
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:15
PR0:
I'm no expert, but I talk from experience, reinforced by a variety of reading over a period of time.
I'm also consistent, and don't change my story over the length of a thread - and I don't start threads to link drop.
No, I'm no expert, and have never, ever, claimed to be - except when compared to people who choose ignorance as a lifestyle. And compared to such folk, even the newest of 'newbies' is an expert. Don't you think?
And that's enough from me - I'll leave you to have the last word, as I suspect it's important to your ego
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pr007extreme
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:21
Absolutely Quadrille, no problem. Always surprises me how people turn to personal attacks when they have no valid point or skills in debating (were you a bully at school?).
Not sure what you mean by the having the last word! I'm just interested in debating a topic which interests me, in a mature manner, so I really would hope that was your last word!. Thanks for your (um...) input anyway.
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phrail
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:22
oh no, Quadrille, I totally agree with that statement completely.
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animated3d
Joined: Dec 22, 2005
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Posted: 2008-Jan-23 23:42
sure you have no control of who links to your site but if something is fishy about the pattern then the SE's arent dumb if they see links from link farms or low grade sources (unrelated topic links ) they might give it a sort of a penalty, and its up to the site owner or webmaster if the risk is worth it to the.
Regaring your website pr007extreme your site doesn't seem to be even indexed and no backlinks at all the only times it has been mentioned is with link dropping on seo forums
[ Message was edited by: animated3d 01/23/2008 04:02 pm ]
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pr007extreme
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 00:00
Just stop and think about how the internet has become so commercialised, and with that extremely high competetiveness (which is exactly what makes google so successful commercially through adwords etc). As phrail quite rightly said, just think how some unscrupulous commercial website owners would bend over backwards to dump their rivals into the bin through underhanded tactics, such as spending time (and quite a bit of money) to send spammy, unwanted inbound links to their rivals, and kick them into some sort of google sandbox.
And thats exactly what some new so called 'Entrepreneurs' are starting to cash in on (yes thats right, lookup "Google Bowling" in google). Are Google stupid enough to fall for that? hmm I doubt it .
True, animated3d, my websites PR0, no backlinks and not indexed at all. It's only been active for a few days. It's not uncommon for guys to drop links into forums to try to promote, its kind of a natural thing to do. Thats why 99% of people chat in forums, with signatures full of links isn't it lol?
I'm really not trying to promote my site now, since the link was taken off almost immediately.
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g1smd
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Joined: Jul 28, 2002
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 00:38
*** Thats why 99% of people chat in forums, with signatures full of links isn't it lol? ***
Not here they don't.
You only have to look at a place like DP to see the opposite end of the spectrum - the wall to wall signatures and links, the scheming and the gaming, and the constant wail of unhappy webmasters when Google screws their rankings and traffic when their latest pathetic scheme is neutralised.
We like to be different over here.
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animated3d
Joined: Dec 22, 2005
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 00:51
" my websites PR0, no backlinks and not indexed at all. It's only been active for a few days" a great way to promote your website is then to do join your own program to get more links
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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 00:52
A point well made g1smd heh, after I posted last comment, I took a browse over some of the other topics and true to your word, no sigs.. but like you say, its uncommon to find that!
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pr007extreme
Joined: Jan 23, 2008
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 00:58
a great way to promote your website is then to do join your own program to get more links
lol Touché animated3d, Touché! 
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g1smd
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Posted: 2008-Jan-24 02:15
I think I can safely say that no-one following any of the methods promoted in this forum in the last few years, or more, is likely to be travelling anywhere even remotely close to any sort of Google ban or penalty.
Other forums have their fads, but I have seen all of their methods burned after a while. The writing was already on the wall right from day one, and many failed to heed the correct advice by opting for that short term gain.
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