Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-12 07:06
Most so called link builders charge per link. I feel that in itself is cause for concern as they wish to make money, they do things that are risky. You can find link builders on freelancing boards. But most of them do things like reciprocal linking or three-way lnking in which they use a directory to send a link to someone in return for a link to their client's site. I think that is dangerous as SE's can determine it's a link cluster.
I also don't like article farms.
I think the only safe way to get links is to ask for them from sites that provide information to their visitors. I have had some success in getting people to link to me without wanting anything in return. Most webmasters won't do it but a few do if you ask them the right way. I feel it does not take many links to rank well if your site has links like those modest information-giving sites.
It could be links from low PR sites that are just good old fashioned sites. Not the SEO'd sites that are looking to exchange links only to those who can offer an equal PR-level link in exchange. I prefer links from sites that never even heard the term SEO. Sites that exist for the pure intention of giving information to their visitors. In the years before Google, webmasters used to link to sites that they thought were useful to their visitors. Not necessarily because they wanted something in return. I believe there are still a few webmasters like this even today.
I have gotten one-way links from sites like that to a degree but don't have time in the day to day course of running a business to do this. I have put up posts on freelance boards looking to hire help but keep getting replies from the type of SEO's that just want to cut corners and do it the easy way at the expense of their clients. This is why I feel it is better not to pay per link but pay per month, etc.
But I am having trouble finding the right person. Can anyone suggest how I can find a link builder that won't get me in trouble? I just want a small number of links from honest/modest sites. I don't even care about links from high PR pages.
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mj1256
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Posted: 2007-Oct-12 18:03
i find the telephone or an email works
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-13 05:10
Ron - just to be sure I am understanding you correctly.
You want to pay for links?
This is why I feel it is better not to pay per link but pay per month, etc.
If so - google says "no no" do not pay for links !
If your looking for good content quality links then surf around and contact via phone or email as was suggested above 
see this thread for more info on paying for links.
[ Message was edited by: bhartzer 10/15/2007 11:41 am ]
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Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-13 05:44
No, I do not mean buy links in the sense Google does. I mean pay a link builder for each link he/she accquires on my behalf. Usually a link builder will work like this. Example: "I will get you 50 links at $5 a link." It is not actually paying a site to link to you. But I wonder if it makes more sense to pay by time spent rather than per link so there is no incentive to go after bad links.
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Quadrille
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Posted: 2007-Oct-13 10:40
> But I wonder if it makes more sense to pay by time spent rather
> than per link so there is no incentive to go after bad links.
So long as the service you pay does not go after bad links.
these days, quality matters so much more than quantity; is there a service you can trust to do this task?
One test would be how much briefing they need about your site. If they say, 'leave it to us', then keep looking!
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Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-13 11:31
Yes, most of them do NOT follow instructions. They all promise you the world but get you in trouble. Very hard to find a good one. The best way is to do it yourself but if you don't have time for it, nothing gets done.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-14 05:09
Thanks for explaining Ron - I understand now
I never even knew such a service was out there - what are they called "link builders" ? I always dug around and found my own links - but your right, it is quite time involved.
OK to your question - this is a tough situation as of the bad link situation - can you maybe draw up a contract with some very specifics stated as to what type of sites etc you want links from and that you will only pay for accepted such links?
as for time instead of links - I guess that is a 50/50 question - is that even a option with a "link builder" service or do you have to pay as they request?
Sorry I doubt I have been much of a help to you ----
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2007-Oct-14 18:54
Beware - link procurement in this fashion will invariably lead to trouble.
Google is about to release an updated algorithm that will penalise sites for using this practice.
It really is very simple for Google to find the clients of these companies by carrying out some simple automated research.
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Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 02:10
"Beware - link procurement in this fashion will invariably lead to trouble."
What do you mean by "procurement in this fashion?" What is wrong with asking a webmaster to give you a (one-way) link to your site for the simple reason that your site is of interest to said webmaster's visitors?
Did you read my original post? All I want to know is how to find a link builder that will get honest one-way links from modest websites with related content.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 04:31
Hampstead - please explain more, I am confused.
I think you are saying that paying a service to do link building is what google frowns on - correct?
Not the link building practice/actions of a web master?
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 04:33
after reading this thread I am pretty sure what you are talking about - however please clarify any ways 
[ Message was edited by: bhartzer 10/15/2007 11:42 am ]
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Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 05:07
I am not talking about a packaged deal like most link monkeys offer. A lot of them will offer you X number of links for X number of dollars per link. They even tell you they are one-way links and that you do not have to link out to anyone. But the way many of them do it is by offering a site a link from one of their own sites (or directories set up for this purpose) in return for a link to their client's site. This is in fact not a one-way link at all. It is a three-way link and the client may not be aware of it but if Google is as smart as many think they are, Google will be able to spot it as a link cluster.
It is really hard to decide what action to take when there are so many people saying so many things about what is right and wrong. In the end you may end up doing nothing at all as you are too afraid to do anything.
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 08:06
Sorry - I got different threads mixed up.
Soliciting links through good content and personal contact is a good thing.
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bhartzer
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Posted: 2007-Oct-15 19:39
Ron of Japan, I would focus on using someone who specializes in link baiting and not link building. You need to create content on your site that people will naturally link to rather than going out and soliciting or buying links.
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Ron of Japan
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 02:29
Hi Bill,
Can you point me to some good threads on the subject of link bait? Of course it has to be the right kind of bait or you will attract the wrong links.
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 11:53
Search that phrase Ron and you will find the info you're looking for.
In short, link bait is content that is so useful or interesting to other sites that they will link to it.
That is exactly the type of organic growth Google is looking for and should keep you below any penalty thresholds.
I very rarely spend any time actively hunting out links (apart from submitting to a few directories) and many of the sites under my control have attained PR7 through offering good quality useful information.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 21:01
Hampstead - are you saying that the sites you control do not have that many links?
That your SEO factor is based mainly on content?
well and following the SEO guidelines of course
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mj1256
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 21:41
Hampstead is correct
to much emphasis is placed on link building
a great website design with good navigation, coding and content will prevail over a poor website with tons of links
really!
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Hampstead
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Posted: 2007-Oct-16 22:32
Beth, many of the sites I control have a high number of inbound links.
I don't solicit them though. They are attracted naturally because the sites have content that other sites want to link to.
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beth_lk
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Posted: 2007-Oct-17 01:17
got it ! Thanks
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