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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Sep-08 21:45
>DMOZ needs to find a way to accomodate our needs
Again you are showing misundertanding of what DMOZ is about. DMOZ is not there for your needs. DMOZ, like any other "business", is only concerned about the user (the customer) . Webmasters are not the customer and neither is DMOZ a free listing service for webmasters. I have never ever seen a single complaint from a DMOZ user about a site not being listed.
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Sep-08 22:18
Webmasters aren't the customer, they are the product. Their content is what makes a directory.
Yahoo isn't for webmasters either but they have accomodated our needs. Same with many other directories and engines.
DMOZ will continue to deteriorate due to the arrogance of editors like yourself and an unwillingness to change with the times.
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-09 07:25
cbp,
>> Again you are showing misundertanding of what DMOZ is about
You have said that same thing several times already and, please don't take offense, but I am starting to think that it's you who has a misunderstanding of what a good directory like Dmoz should be. Dmoz aims to list all quality sites in the web, and to acomplish that is important to have a way to accept quality submitions and review them quickly. Waiting for an editor to have the time and luck to find your site is not the best way to have an up to date directory. For instance, if I change my site's domain, do I have to wait months or years until the editor notices of this change, or wouldn't it be better that I can fill the update form and changes be reviewed quickly by the editor?? Doing the second ... does it not improve the quality of the directory? I think the cooperation of webmasters is quite important in building a quality directory and keeping it up to date. And ignoring the webmaster's point of view is not the best way to achive that result.
>> DMOZ is not there for your needs. DMOZ, is only concerned about the user
and don't you think the user would be happier if all quality sites were listed quickly? If I am a user looking for employment sites in Malaysia, don't you think I would be happier if I could find all quality sites on that subject listed? If a webmaster submits a quality site and doesn't get listed for a year it is not only the webmaster who loses out, the user does too. Dmoz would be even better if it had a way to accept quality submitions and review them quickly. And that's not only good for the webmaster, the quality and freshness of the directory listings grows, and the user gets better results.
>> I have never ever seen a single complaint from a DMOZ user about a site not being listed.
Really, do you think users would bother complaining about that?? I cannot imagine myself writing to Google, Altavista, or any other search engine or directory complaining about site X not being listed (unless the site is my own of course). And that doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer all quality sites be there ... but if they are not, they are not.
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cbp
Joined: Dec 25, 2003
# Posts: 181
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Posted: 2004-Sep-09 07:48
>DMOZ will continue to deteriorate
What makes you say that?
DMOZ is the biggest directory out there (4.5 millon sites). What other directory comes close to that?
DMOZ is the fastest growing directory out there (~2000 sites a day get added). What other directory comes close to that?
>arrogance of editors
This discussion was civil until you chose to lower the tone. It was only a matter of time befoe the DMOZ bashing degenerates to that. Thanks for showing your true colors for everyone to see.
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kidspirit222
Joined: Jul 06, 2004
# Posts: 10
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Posted: 2004-Sep-09 13:12
It is arrogant to believe that dmoz is "above" accomodating webmasters point of view. "The directory is only concerned about the user." "DMOZ is not a free listing site." "No one has ever complained about DMOZ." "DMOZ is the biggest, the fastest."
But above all other comments, the MOST arrogant has to be:
"As an editor, my time is better spent ignoring the suggested sites".
Gee thanks, we all have a higher respect for DMOZ now.
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g1smd
Staff
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10465
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Posted: 2004-Sep-09 19:20
>> DMOZ will continue to deteriorate <<
Bzzzzt. Incorrect. Still growing at a rate of several thousand sites per week.
>> Dmoz aims to list all quality sites in the web <<
No it does not. It aims to list a reasonable selection of sites, on a wide variety of topics. At no point does the word "all" come in to it all.
>> Waiting for an editor to have the time and luck to find your site is not the best way to have an up to date directory. <<
Well, if you are looking at things from the point of view as to whether one particular site is listed or not, then you might have a point. But that isn't the way that editors look at it at all. They ask, does this category have a reasonable selection of sites that cover the topic at hand?
>> I cannot imagine myself writing to Google, Altavista, or any other search engine or directory complaining about... <<
No? Google has a link at the bottom of their search results for you to send them your comments if the quality of the search results wasn't what you expected. That is, they ask for user feedback from searchers. They don't ask for feedback from webmasters.
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dgnet
Joined: Jun 03, 2004
# Posts: 41
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Posted: 2004-Sep-10 00:45
>> No? Google has a link at the bottom of their search results ...
Yes maybe they ask for feedback, but that doesn't mean people use it for the purpose we were talking about. If they use it, probably is not to complain about "site X" not being listed. Have ever used it for that purpose?? Do you know anyone who has writen to google complaining about why site X is not listed (other than the site owner of course!)
>> No it does not. It aims to list a reasonable selection of sites, on a wide variety of topics. At no point does the word "all" come in to it all.
I don't agree. Yes it does. Dmoz aims to list the best quality sites in every given topic. So if one site is one of the best of its subject, then, ideally, it must be listed in Dmoz. Just listing a few of them is not enough. If I have the very best site of topic X, do you think it is ok that my site is not listed just because the editor already have a "reasonable" selection of sites? I don't. ALL the best sites should be listed.
>> Editors ask, does this category have a reasonable selection of sites that cover the topic at hand?
Maybe they ask that, but in my opinion they should ask, "does this category have a selection of the best sites in that topic?" ...
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motsa
Joined: Jan 11, 2001
# Posts: 111
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Posted: 2004-Sep-12 04:05
Switching off the submition page is not good idea I think, because editors will have to waste time looking for all the sites themselves. I think it's better they concentrate on the reviewing, so we webmasters suggest them sites, and they decide if they are worth listing.
As has already been mentioned here, processing the pool of suggested sites is not our priority. Building the directory is and the pool of suggested sites is usually not the best place for doing that. This is a fundamental ODP concept which is why complaining about editors not reviewing suggested sites quickly enough is met with the same replies.
Well, there wouldn't be a DMOZ, Google or any other directory or engine if it weren't for the content we publish.
By all means, stop publishing your web sites and eventually we'll shut down.
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kctipton
Joined: Sep 15, 1999
# Posts: 251
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Posted: 2004-Sep-16 13:40
I'm happy to see many editors all saying the same thing -- we're trying to build a comprehensive directory (and sure we'd like to list ALL new and valuable sites, but keep in mind that even the Encyclopedia Britannica and OED do not cover every single topic or every single word that exists), but we're NOT all about trying to "keep up" with submissions, especially since the pool of suggestions is becoming more and more a cesspool of spammy suggestions.
If you want a DMOZ listing, I suggest you get your site noticed in ways other than by submitting it and then posting in forums.
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jesbasementsystems
Joined: Sep 27, 2001
# Posts: 269
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Posted: 2004-Sep-26 14:52
so did we ever figure out a good plan for my originial question? Just what to do if you're not listed, after 2 years now?
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Collective
Joined: Aug 08, 2000
# Posts: 331
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Posted: 2004-Sep-27 19:33
so did we ever figure out a good plan for my originial question? Just what to do if you're not listed, after 2 years now?
It looks as if your already listed in a Regional area category.
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kevinro
Joined: Mar 28, 2004
# Posts: 46
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Posted: 2004-Oct-03 16:59
I think that a lot of words about DMOZ are blah-blah. I submitted three times my site to it, from january 2003 until may 2004, and still nothing. An editor was telling me some blah-blah, ... it will be reviewed... yeah, sure... and still nothing. A lot of people in Romania think that the editors for Romania are blocking certain categories that would compete with their websites. Anyway, I lost any hope to be included in DMOZ and I don't even think anymore that to be included there is so important. The best Romanian site for "web design" is not included and is in top of searches on Google.com and Google.ro.
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macdesign
Joined: Sep 13, 2004
# Posts: 25
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Posted: 2004-Oct-05 03:00
A lot of people in the entire world are convinced that editors are conspiring against them. But since I edit Romanian sites, your accusation against me is slanderous.
If you have proof then file an abuse complaint. If you don't it's better to keep your mouth shut.
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Collective
Joined: Aug 08, 2000
# Posts: 331
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Posted: 2004-Oct-05 19:07
macdesign
If you have proof then file an abuse complaint. If you don't it's better to keep your mouth shut.
One word...diplomacy.
It's no wonder dmoz editors are grouped as thinking they are "High and Mighty" when editors reply like that. 
very unbecoming. IMO
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macdesign
Joined: Sep 13, 2004
# Posts: 25
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Posted: 2004-Oct-05 19:42
I think making allegations without proof is unbecoming.
It's very easy to make claims here without being face to face - since there is no accountability in faceless forums. Anyone who made a statement like that to me in public, would be facing a lawsuit.
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Collective
Joined: Aug 08, 2000
# Posts: 331
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Posted: 2004-Oct-05 21:01
would be facing a lawsuit.
What kinda trip you on? Did you read what he/she posted?
There's no mention of any names and it also says "A lot of people in Romania think" That would face a lawsuit?
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g1smd
Staff
Joined: Jul 28, 2002
# Posts: 10465
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Posted: 2004-Oct-06 21:47
Cool it right now.
Last word.
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macdesign
Joined: Sep 13, 2004
# Posts: 25
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Posted: 2006-May-11 14:50
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